Note: I am making an assumption that once I have made the Imbroccata that I will be passing back to my initial starting position.
Steven Reich wrote:Sorry I haven't responded sooner, but I was at Fechtschule America for the last few days.
As to the Imbroccata into Porta di Ferro Stretta (PdFS), I don't believe Dall'Agocchie gives clear instruction as to how to synchronize the step, however, earlier in the work he lists PdFS as the ending guard of an Imbroccata in the same way as it is the ending to a (Mezzo) Mandritto. Therefore, assuming that the sword wasn't stuck too deeply in the opponent (in which case, I'd probably continue forward), I think that I'd consider the turning into PdFS as part of the motion of the thrust. That said, the pass back should probably begin the instant that the foot lands from the step forward, so you might think of it in terms of your first way with it actually behaving the second way at full speed. It seems unlikely (to me) that he meant it the third way (if he did, I would have expected him to say something like, "pass back in Guardia d'Alicorno, then go into PdFS).
I guess I mostly waffled on this answer...
Dan Sellars wrote:Steve, so you do think he means to move back from the thrust with a pass (or I assume two in order to be in PdFS otherwise would you not be in CPdF)? When I was practising it, as I said above, I was assuming that he just meant to settle back into PdFS by recovering the sword hand from the extended imbroccata.
Steven Reich wrote:...
From a philosophical perspective, if I was teaching this action, I wouldn't consider it complete until the had retreated out of measure after the attack--probably with two passes back. So in this case, I'd have you do the action as is, recovering into PdFS. Then immediately, I'd have you do a Falso Manco as you passed back with your right foot and a Mezzo Mandritto as you passed back with your left foot to end in PdFS out of measure. Alternatively, instead of the Falso Manco and Mezzo Mandritto, I might have you do a Riverso Sgualembrato as a molinello to the inside as you passed back with your right foot into Coda Lunga Alta, followed by a pass back with your left foot to end in PdFS. Dall'Agoccie doesn't really give these covering actions in his techniques, but they are in Marozzo in nearly every place that he has you retreat after making an attack.
mackenzie cosens wrote:I tried both of your suggestions and they make my drilling feel much more correct and complete.
mackenzie cosens wrote:I am assuming that the Falso Manco is a simple false edge cut from PdFS to Guardia Alta, is this correct?
Steven Reich wrote:...
Yes, that's correct. Alternatively, it could be from Porta di Ferro Larga (in other actions). Also, depending upon when you are using it, you might make a preparation by dropping the point of your sword from PdFS into or nearly into PdFL--probably not in this particular action, though. However, experiment and see how everything feels.