A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

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A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

Postby Reinier van Noort » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:00 am

Fabris describes "L'Andare di Risolutione" or "Proceeding with Resolution", a set of special exercises in which the principles of rapier fencing are applied to approach and hit the enemy with a continuous walk, without standing still. These exercises were also taught, and described, in Germany in the 17th and in the 18th century, and they are mentioned by Bruchius (who published his treatise in 1671 in Leiden, NL) as "Camineren".

Johann Andreas Schmidt also described the "Caminiren" in his 1713 treatise, Leib-beschirmende und Feinden Trotz-bietende Fecht-Kunst (http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/ ... nfo/102327), where he calls it "A great and secret Master-piece of the Art of Fencing".

I hereby present my English translation of his description, as given in the fifth part of Schmidt's treatise: http://www.bruchius.com/docs/A%20great% ... %20RvN.pdf
Please note that in this translation I tried to stay close to the original German text, which at times was relatively complex.

Enjoy!
…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Re: A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

Postby Jonathan Allen » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:52 am

I tried to use that principal in my last tournament and found it to be quite effective despite not knowing the specific techniques it entails. So I'm really looking forward to reading this.
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Re: A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

Postby Reinier van Noort » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:41 pm

I successfully used Rule 4 in some free sparring and in a tournament. I have only photos (though of exactly the right moment) from the tournament, but am awaiting a video that has been made of the free sparring.

I have tried another (Rule 2 - IIRC) before a couple of times in free sparring with less success.

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…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Re: A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

Postby John P » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:15 pm

thanks for making this available. I'm looking forward to the free play video.
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Re: A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

Postby Reinier van Noort » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:02 pm

Here it is (it's a shorty). An attempt at Caminiren by the 4th Rule. Clearly I am not doing it correctly, on the other hand I hit without getting hit so at least I get the basic principle right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUd0HkXLtb4
…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Re: A great and secret masterpiece of the Art of Fencing

Postby Jeramy Gee » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:09 pm

Cool. I'm gonna' have to try that out.
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