Gregory Mele wrote:Firstly, @Ben the vocabulary of same time (stesso tempo or un tempo), middle time (mezzo tempo) and double time (dui tempi) is *not* modern, although it is still used in modern fencing. They are first documented with Vadi (mezzo tempo) and are fully in place in the 16th century.
Mike is right that the Germans don't use those terms, but not that the there is no evidence that the German masters did not conceptualize time the same way.
Thanks for hitting all the high points for me.
One, I only teach the German tradition of swordsmanship at the moment.
Two, I didn't say modern; I said 'more modern'. In other words, not modern day, but also not used within the sources from which I teach.
Three, which builds on one and two, is that Mike is right. I was commenting within the context of our comments about the German lexicon. It may not have been obvious because you don't know me or what I teach. However, Mike knows I only teach from German sources, I think, and I know he does as well.
I will also say that I'm more than happy agreeing to disagree.
Four, there is no evidence one way or the other that the German masters conceptualized time the same way. Therefore, we forced to rely on what they wrote, not what they did not write... but you think is likely.