Jeremy S. wrote:"I'm still fond of" does not imply "this is the one true way" nor does it state "this is the only way I do it."
You're right, I apologize for interpreting that as a black/white type statement and for the sharpness of my reply. More than anything, it's my manner of online debate. It's easy for me to get carried away ;]
Jeremy S. wrote:When I'm executing the zornhau with an offline step I'm targeting their head. That my cut "wrathfully" strikes the weak of their blade is a happy accident of angles and timing. If they don't respond to that direct threat they take one in the temple
That's fine, and I think that's an application of the Zornhau and I do that too occasionally, but that's not Zornhau-Ort, at least what's described in the VD gloss or shown in the Goliath image.
Jeremy S. wrote: I thought this was a thread for discussing the merits and issues associated with the various possible interpretations of the actions described in the texts, not every possible situation that can arise.
You raise a good point, so I'll clarify that I used the example that I did, even though it is not what is described in the Zornhau-Ort passage to show that:
-The pass backwards interpretation of Zornhau-Ort works [effectively in my opinion] for the explicit case that is described in the VD Zornhau-Ort gloss.
-It also keeps you safe even if your opponent does any of a number of the possible/probable actions that look a lot like he's doing an oberhau to your upper left opening.
So in that sense, I believe the pass-backwards is less risky than some of the other zornhau variations, with very nearly the same offensive potential.
Jeremy S. wrote:There's nothing invalid with a pass back. I use when the situation calls for it. I just see a wider tactical applicability with a different interpretation.
I don't. But for the sake of argument, let's say you are right and that the pass-backwards Zornhau-Ort is less optimal. If that is the case, why does the Goliath Zornhau-Ort image show something that:
-conforms to the VD gloss of the Zornhau-Ort.
-conforms with my pass-backwards interpretation of the Zornhau-Ort [I haven't seen a real challenge to this assumption, so I'm assuming most people agree that my interpretation at the very least does not contradict either the gloss or the image].
Of course, I really don't know what the answer is, but it seems odd to me to conclude that whomever choreographed the images in Goliath decided to show a "less optimal" version of Zornhau-Ort.