Spanish /Iberic Lonsword Historical Sources?

[jose_ortiz]

I would like copies to any of these, if available.

[steve hick]

Has the Regimento been published or translated? I am collecting sources on knightly training, but I doubt I will ever learn 15th century Iberian languages.

It is in a small paper in Spada 1. If you wish, I can just have it up on line, I will have to hunt for it. Just the translation, the rest of the paper covered Dom Duarte's Bem Cavalgar section on swords, you can pick that up in the Preto translation - I understand there is going to be another person who is publishing an academic one that will be much closer to the original.

Steve

[Keith P. Myers]

Some Filipino Martial Arts include a 2-handed sword called a "kampilan." Since the FMAs often claim direct descent from the swordsmanship of their past Spanish occupiers, maybe there is a connection to the Iberian Longsword worth investigating. Just a thought.

[steve hick]

Has the Regimento been published or translated? I am collecting sources on knightly training, but I doubt I will ever learn 15th century Iberian languages.

It is in a small paper in Spada 1. If you wish, I can just have it up on line, I will have to hunt for it. Just the translation, the rest of the paper covered Dom Duarte's Bem Cavalgar section on swords, you can pick that up in the Preto translation - I understand there is going to be another person who is publishing an academic one that will be much closer to the original.

Steve

I found almost all of it at the ARMA site, in a paper.

Portuguese King Dom Duarte. In his Regimento, Duarte described: “And there he had weapons made of fine iron for other men, and he had lances and axes and wooden swords, and whenever he wanted to practice he armed himself with heavier weapons...made for learning different methods of defence and offence in which others are well versed.”[1] Duarte further advised: “Have spare weapons and armor at your house for anyone who comes over. Have wooden weapons to play with. When you spar use heavier weapons. Sparring helps you to learn new techniques from suitable partners. If no one comes over, train with anyone you can.” [2]

[2] is essentially a paraphrase of [1] and not additional material. The rest of it has you getting up early and doing some roadwork (paraphrase). And that's it. Bem Cavalgar has more, but, to say it treats at all extensively of the sword, it doesn't.

Steve

[Sean M]

Thanks Steve. I don't normally post here during the week, but I noticed the thread update and wanted to let you know that I had seen it.

[jose_ortiz]

Indeed, it s rare that in countries like Méjico, Argentina, Chile, Perú...there is not much evidence of manuals surfacing up. But with the increase interest on WMA/HEMA on Iberoamerica this may change for the better in the near future. I had the opportunity to work on the Puerto Rico National Library, and their collections do have manuals on military science and stuff like that, but I never stumbled on actual fencing/combat manuals. But hey I m just a newbie lol.

This may has been a really good topic to discuss with Dr. Ricardo Alegría founder of the local Culture Ministry . Unfortunately he passed away past year.

Worst, much of the personnel of the Institute of Puertorrican Culture was laid-off on 2010 along with 30K public employees. So the people working at the museums and collections aren t working anymore there. There is an interesting collection of weapons and armor from the late medieval/early renaissance on the institution storing facilities rotting.

[steve hick]

Indeed, it s rare that in countries like Méjico, Argentina, Chile, Perú...there is not much evidence of manuals surfacing up. But with the increase interest on WMA/HEMA on Iberoamerica this may change for the better in the near future. I had the opportunity to work on the Puerto Rico National Library, and their collections do have manuals on military science and stuff like that, but I never stumbled on actual fencing/combat manuals. But hey I m just a newbie lol.

This may has been a really good topic to discuss with Dr. Ricardo Alegría founder of the local Culture Ministry . Unfortunately he passed away past year.

Worst, much of the personnel of the Institute of Puertorrican Culture was laid-off on 2010 along with 30K public employees. So the people working at the museums and collections aren t working anymore there. There is an interesting collection of weapons and armor from the late medieval/early renaissance on the institution storing facilities rotting.

Many of the masters were in the new world and had followers there, there was destreza Indiana that Rada refutes (he lived in Mexico). There is a copy of one of his books in Mexico only. There were followers of Carranza in Honduras.

Steve

[jose_ortiz]

Let me get the attention of some mexican friends, maybe they know a little bit more about the whereabouts of these works.