These guys seem to be fairly common but almost all beginners in any art start out this way and the problem can be fixed with adequate training and experience.
Yes exactly... a little study based on the manuals probably helps in the long run. I personally don't see the plague of double-hits you seem to be noticing, in fact I've noticed a sharp decline in double-hits in the tournaments I've been to just in the last 2 years - which was what allowed them to impose such a strict double-hit rule this year at FA.
The main problem we have right now is that nobody is seriously training the Abzug yet. I suspect this is because people are still used to training with their buddies in small groups around the country and fighting much more predictable bouts. So it's been relatively easy to disengage cleanly after a hit, and people even get in the habit of dropping their guard because they know their buddy isn't going to keep going after them after getting tagged (I have a very bad habit of doing this myself). As they are designed to do, the tournaments expose the problem: Against strangers hyped up on adrenaline it's a much less predictable fight and the clean hit your buddy will readily acknowledge in the backyard may not be even seen by the judge (just like it may not actually have any effect in a real fight for a whole slew of reasons) so the Abzug has now become much more important for a lot of people. I think this is what the afterblow rule is meant to stimulate as well. (This is actually progress because back in 2010 a clean entry, an effective vorschlag and covering the lines were major problems for most people).
Mike Ruhala wrote:Slicing cuts should be done with a push or pull but yeah, longswords are definitely capable of shearing blows and I favor that type of cutting with this weapon.
In theory if you are studying the KDF we are supposed to give equal consideration to all three wounders: the slice, the cut, and the thrust... but to be honest I'm probably doing 70% cutting 25% thrusting and 5% slicing right now. As people get better at defending against cuts we've moved more into thrusts; I suspect as people get better at defending against thrusts we'll see more schnitts. We are already seeing dramatically more ringen, pretty well executed.
The sport fencing mindset can absolutely lead to problems with the afterblow but I've not actually encountered very many HEMA practitioners with a sport fencing background, they exist but not in the numbers to explain the frequency with which we see the sloppy fighting.
I didn't say afterblow, a quarter of a second isn't an afterblow in any historical fencing context I'm familiar with. I'm talking about double-hits. And I don't know you Mike, so I'm not familiar with your experiences in HEMA, but among the people I've met in the historical fencing community, a background with sport fencing of some kind is not exactly rare. As a completely wild guess I'd say about 30% among the people I've met in the last 10 years or so. Another 30% some kind of Japanese or Chinese Martial Arts background, and 30% with SCA or re-enactor background. The last 10% are things like FMA, boxing, MMA, wrestling, and some more outlier stuff like LARP. Maybe we should do a poll on here?
or the Martial Arts zen Master who is so hung up on his kata that he goes through the form regardless of what his opponent is doing.
I know there's at least a few people in the community like this but honestly I haven't encountered many of them either.
Per above, we must not travel in the same circles then. I think a lot of HEMA people do this. Especially people who train alone alot, and especially if they have any kind of EMA background involving forms or katas.